>> that's right. >> bill: larry is in rochester, new york. we're talking about pbs, what do you say, larry? >> caller: i think the whole thing is ridiculous. my grandchildren watch pbs and big bird. and i had some new neighbors move in, and when they first moved in they could talk no english, they watch sesame street all the time and their english has now become excellent. you can understand them with no problem. >> bill: you can say that about millions and millions of american kids, not just immigrants, right in they learn their numbers, letters, learn concepts, right? and it's -- it's fun to watch, but it's an educational program.